Monday, February 6, 2012

Da'as Torah: The Fall Of the Charedi Giant

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The recent escalation of Charedi violence in Bet Shemesh and the issue of Jewish leadership has been on my mind constantly.
I am troubled by some of the cultural norms in the Orthodox community which seem nothing short of primitive. Where people who are fathers and husbands spend their day assaulting and spitting at members of neighboring communities.
Tell me it is the extreme. Tell me the majority of Charedim don't support the violence. And I will ask you in return: "Then where in the world are they? Why aren't the 'normal' charedim protesting this violence?"


Don't tell me that the protests in Israel represent only the most extreme elements of Charedi society.
Don't tell me that most charedim don't support it.
Don't.



When 9/11 happened, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser expected the Muslims to demonstrate by the thousands all over the world proclaiming their protest to violence and terror.
Instead there was deafening silence. No protests. No shouts. No denouncing.
That left the world with the conclusion that the terror represents Islam.

The fact that Charedim and their leaders aren't denouncing this extremist behavior, means by default that they are supporting it.
The fact that the educators in these state funded schools are given the freedom to preach all the fanatical and fundamental hate-speech and rhetoric that comes to their minds encourages silent support for the extremists.

I went to a shiur yesterday by a charedi female seminary speaker. She speaks at the MOCH (Modern Orthodox-Charedi) seminaries. MOCH seminaries are ones which accept Modern Orthodox students, but employ a CHaredi faculty and hope to convert the student body from Modern to Charedi. Some seminaries of this category are: Michlala, Sharfmans, Midreshet Tehillah, Darchei Binah, Neveh, Tomer Devorah... fill in the blank

Anyhow, I have developed an aversion for seminary speeches throughout my life, but I kept on hearing how good friends of mine, who seemed to be quite smart and intellectual raving about her brilliance.
I thought I might have been quick to judge and perhaps not all speakers from a certain religious spectrum spoke about the same things in the same way the entire time, so I went to the speech.
And needless I should have never doubted myself on that matter. The speaker was standing there fire and brimstone shrieking the walls down about the gashmius in America and how people went to Costco to buy stuff in bulk and then had so much stuff that they couldn't connect with God.
She drew a black dot on a paper and held it up and then told people that they see the dark dot because people tend to focus on the darkness. I wanted to tell her that if she took a black paper and drew a white dot., people would notice that, because the contrast is what is visible. I did not. But no one seemed to have a problem with what she said.
I was standing there in total awe. The room was packed with women in their mid to late twenties; women, who were university educated, most of them going for their graduate degrees. They were in touch with the world, products of YU, and yet, they were totally enthralled in the speech. I thought I was losing my marbles.
In the future, I will think twice before changing my opinion of 'spiritually uplifting' speakers.

If you listen to speeches of the Agudah, which is not considered extreme in the Charedi world, but is representative of the majority of Charedi institutions across America, you will hear speeches which reflect a society which is almost barbaric: Rabbis screaming and ranting against the internet, against texting, against email YEMACH SHEMAM.... Some of the speeches from the most recent convention can be accessed here.
The speaker refuses to put the blame on fathers for neglecting their children. The internet is to blame for that. As if before the internet, all men were perfect attentive fathers. As if the total elimination of the internet would institute blissful family life. As if all troubles of the community can be blamed on two external factors: texting and the internet.
Is that normal?
Do I want to belong to a community where a person spewing such ideas is regarded as a spiritual leader?

Do I want to belong to a community where the 'mainstream' magazines will exclude all pictures of women to the extent that an onlooker browsing through one of the publications would assume that Orthodox Jewry has only men in its constituency?

Rabbi Slifkin mentioned in his speech that the beginning of Daas Torah was established when Chassidim agreed to join the Aguddah on condition that the ruling of their rabbis wouldn't be questioned and it would need no justification.

And another question is: who is controlling the situation? Is it the rabbis and the so called da'as torah? Or is there an entire mafia manipulating the rabbis to control the press, the materials taught in classes and the dresses worn on the street?

Rabbi Aaron Lichtenstein wrote a phenomenal piece about the meaning of a Torah leader and Da'as Torah. If you are short on time, at least read his conclusion on the last page. And don't leave this blog without sharing your thoughts below.


Daat Torah Lichtenstein

10 comments:

  1. Do we want chareidim to consider themselves separate from us, or should we be considered one big, teeming mass of united Jews?

    Keep in mind that chareidim are not one faction; there are many, many sects beneath that umbrella, and not do all of them get along. To say that specifically chareidim should object simply defines the lines even further.

    I don't think the behavior of some crazy people have to be dignified with a response. They got some attention, and what did they do next? They compared themselves to Holocaust victims! They're nuts, and I am certainly not lowering myself to argue with irrational people.

    Insanity can manifest itself in many communities. In the case of chareidim, it is "religious" fanaticism. But insanity manifests itself in other groups that are not charedi.

    The law should deal with them, the same way the law deals with anyone who violates other's rights. No one likes jail or fines. But words can be easily tuned out.

    I don't label myself. I just consider myself an observant Jew, with a variety of background influences.

    I have heard good speakers and bad speakers and "eh" speakers, and they were all across the board. Sure, some chareidi speakers miss the point, but then so do those who aren't charedi.

    I would say that to prevent this issue from escalating, we shouldn't focus on "us vs. them." In the end these issues aren't about religion, they are about police and policy makers keeping the peace for all, and not being concerned about votes.

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  2. I hope you are not speaking about the speaker that I love and suggested you go hear speak.... :/

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  3. And charedim ARE speaking out:

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/israel/spit_felt_round_world

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  4. Totally agreed with you about the speaker. Obviously abuse of anything is not good- but bulk doesn't equal gashmius, and I think it's wrong to spread the message that poverty is ideal and that anything beyond the necessary takes away from the spiritual. 100%. I was very let down by the shiur as well.
    True, Charedim are not loudly denouncing the violence to the point that we are so made aware of it. Then again, so many of them are very against it, so many of them are ashamed of it, and there are leaders that have spoken out about it. I would bear in mind that the media, especially in Israel, takes a huge slant in religion and could purposely not be making a big deal about Charedi leaders' statements. It's bigger news to report a new incident than a huge leader saying something against it. I think the question is, what more could they be doing? (Example: Rav Ovadia Yosef spoke out in Israel right away). We don't speak out condemning a Jewish criminal, to show that we don't affiliate with such a person, and we use the means to do so daily. Chareidim are not a presence on the Internet, in news rooms- so they will be underrepresented. Do I think that the Charedim are, as a movement, taking a turn for the worse? Maybe. Do I think they should be denouncing every incident publicly and loudly? Absolutely. But we have to keep the other factors in mind as well.
    And okay- I won't be anonymous this time :)

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  5. i watched some of those agguda speeches. they seem like caricatures. i am embarrassed to feel forced to tell people that they are gedolim of our generation.

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  6. PS- one of the speakers (don't know their names) said that blogs foster lashon harah. agree? disagree?

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  7. @Princess Leah,
    Thanks for the article. It was interesting to read.
    Even though it shows some sort of opposition, it is still quite weak.
    @Moshe,
    Good point! Do you define criticism of the establishment as lashon hara?
    @Liatte,
    Great Comment! You go girl

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  8. I have been following your blog for a while and first of all I just want to say that your posts on dating are always so funny and thought-provoking. But I think I was at that same shiur you are talking about and although I didn't necessarily agree with what the speaker said about Costco, that certainly wasnt her point of her speech and I tried to focus more on the things she said that were more important, like how she was able to be there for her sister-in-law who was dying from a terminal illness and the chizuk she was able to bring her to prepare her for journey to the next world. Another thing to keep in mind is that her style is much more mussar and hashkafah-based, about working on our middos and drawing out our inner strength when we are going through the hard times. It may not necessarily be your style but that doesnt mean that there isnt some validity to it. Forgive me, but I dont really understand what the connection that her speech had with daas torah, anti-internet speeches by the agudah, and the seeming lack of a unified leadership and condemnation of the acts of the Sikrikim.

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  9. Dont you thinkits hard to argue with someone about the problems the internet poses with someone who has a blog?

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